Defending the thin blue line between order and chaos means walking the talk, but it seems the top brass have been found wanting. Andrew Urquhart & guests weigh up the politics, policy & culture surrounding high level leadership positions, tackling the case of disgraced former Deputy Police Commissioner Jevon McSkimming; and speculation over PM Christopher Luxon's tenure. With Dr Bryce Edwards (Integrity Institute), John Peachey (thethinkfarm.org) & Jillaine Heather (fsu.nz). Text your thoughts to 8168, keyword 'Comments'.